create their own fundraising and b to shut down the debate to the extent that they have affected fare or any of the groups. we roll with the punches. >> laura: it's or wellian. you think of the hate that is routinely directed toward catholics and other organizations because they happen to believe in traditional outlook. somehow they are haters, they are terrible people. they shouldn't be allowed to have a presence in any type of after school activity. these are horrible people. and. >> make no mistake there is a legal definition for what a hate crime is. hate group is concoction of the politically left sovereign poverty law center. >> laura: debate. >> shut down the debate. i will maintain that until my last day. they do not want to talk. they don't want to debate. thank you so much. lou dobbs on the soaring stock market and whether it can really last and then is eric holder endangering americans by putting usama bin laden'sson on trial for terrorism here on u.s. soil? we're coming right back with those reports.