mcconnell and around boehne boehner. you would work from that group out. >> chris: 30 seconds left in the segment. give the tie-breaker. >> i am more cynical than charles. in order to believe that the president is sincere here, you'd have to accept that the president is now believing in a means bipartisan he rejected throughout most of his first term. toward an end cutting spending and reducing the debt he never seems to care much about. it makes no sense whatsoever on the face. republicans ought to be very cautious as they enter in the talks. do everything in public. only time you are serious is if the president says i am for "x" -- >> there were 12 senators at dinner. same number as the apostles. i don't want to draw meaning from that but i want to point ouit out. >> wow! we have to take a break. but next up, the friday lightning round. gotcha !