different kind of law, god's law. joining us right now is the pistol packing pastor from christian pentecostal church in staten island, new york, pastor john rocco carlo. gosh to you. >> good morning. >> steve: what does that mean? pistol packing? >> well, it's not a strange thing. if you look in the new testament, the disciples carried swords, some of them. even the apostle, paul, who was a young rabbi, they had the temple police at the time. they went out and made arrests. >> steve: sure. >> so it's not uncommon to mix the two occupations. >> steve: and you actually say having been in a police officer for many years, decades, and now a pastor for decades, while it may seem like there are different lines of work, there are a lot of parallels, aren't there? >> definitely. we deal with the same clientele and i think as a police officer, you have a kind of insight into what people are really trying to say.