know. but the structure is all wrong. if you look -- so many of the examples that rick talked about, chiefly the internet came through military r and d. military r and d -- al gore. military r and d works because there is a sense of urgency. there is an exist tensionial threat. the actual development of the companies, when john f. kennedy said we're going to put a man on the moon by the end of the 1960, the reason that we were able to do so and leap ahead of the soviet union is because of the semiconductor companies in silicon valley. yeah, the military bought a lot of semiconductor tips during that period. but guess what? these were privately funded companies and they had p and l's they had to worry about. that's the key difference between these green technology boondoggles. >> so e mac, are they all boondoggles? do they pay off or not? clearly the one we mentioned at the beginning is a boondoggle. >> the ones we have now are boondoggles.