stole their truck and up with perp was able to get away and make a call. that is where they converged on this particular area up in big bear? [ no audible response ] >> bret: i think we lost william up there at the lapd headquarters but we have trace gallagher. there are reports that might be according to the authorities holding hostages. >> but again, bret, that hasn't been confirmed. that was something that the "l.a. times" put on the blog. and some organizations ran with that. the thing they are saying now is the police are warning everybody do not buy in to any other reports unless we confirm them.