does that jive or is the only refuge inside the building? >> i can't tell because i'm not on the ground. you can only speak generally. you have can't get specific. you can't get inside on what is going on inside his head. would somebody come outside? i couldn't tell you. he may try that. time is on the police side. the commander of the swat team and the other officer in the area, they will sit down and hunkering down for a possible siege. they would start designated people to work in shifts and they don't tire everybody out at once. the law enforcement will start planning for a long time. >> planning for a long time. if you read the manifesto, mr. jackson, there is also preparation for what he wrote in there and what many said, this is a guy who wants to go down in a blaze of glory. is there preparation saying in two or three hours you will have a man to step out of the