him? >> about 2008. >> greta: and under what circumstance. what was he like at the time. ? >> sure, he seemed to be the same chris dorner that i knew in college. he called me, we hadn't spoken in years since we graduated school in about 2001. and again, he called me about 2008. it was sort of a flent surprise out of the blue and we spoke where ten or 15 minutes on the phone and what the other had been up to the in previous few years, that's it. i obviously learned he was serving in the navy and working as a lapd officer at the time. >> in going back and sort of searching your memory back to when you played college with him and football with him, anything strike you as unusual about him. >> no, really not. and that's what, from my perspective, there's sort of this human element to this whole story that you know, folks who don't know mr. dorner probably aren't going to see. my experience with chris was that he was really just a great guy to be around. you know, pleasurable.