radicalism to cardinal ratzinger and pope benedict was anathema. martha: we've seen over the course of the history of popes in some way as person who comes in for a shorter period of time. it was as you and i discussing at break felt at the time of pope john paul ii he was the right person to keep the faith, to hold onto the gains made under john paul ii. what have we learned from benedict about what comes next? >> i think the pope served, if you will, his time with great honor and valor. the when it elects popes has a history going long pope, short pope, long pope, short pope. obviously when they reached out to elect carol who became the john paul the 2nd after john paul the first only serve ad few weeks as a pope. they were shaken by this immediate death of their leader and wanted somebody younger and more robust. i think that is what you might see this time again.