the nation. >> you make an argument that it is the lowest in the nation based upon the test scores. now, i would say that ours can get better but i would say that ours are -- >> your predecessors the unions have been saying that for years. >> the unions have a advocated for high quality ed glace but not achieving it. >> our test scores are not what we choose to focus on. we choose to focus on teaching kids. >> how do you know if they are learning anything if you don't test them and compare. >> i know my kids are learning when i look in their eyes. >> the protesters had celebrity is support. actor matt damon. he was asked by a woman from reason tv about the rules that make it hard to fire a union teach. in acting there isn't job security, right york why isn't it like that for teachers? >> could you think job insecurity is what makes me work hard. >> you have an incentive to work harder. >> it is not an incentive.