our nation's next spy guy? michael, you were the head of the bin laden unit that the senators were referring to. you have a long history with john brennan. let's start with his take on osama bin laden and whether or not you think that he tried his hardest to find or capture ubl. >> alisyn, he's a spectacular liar in terms that have particular subject. when he was the chief in saudi arabia, we asked him repeatedly to acquire from the saudis information usama bin laden and al-qaeda and very, very basic things like birth certificates, bank records, medical records. we started to ask for those in february of 1995 and when i resigned in 2004 we still hadn't got them. >> alisyn: and why not, michael? what was the hesitation on john brennan's part? >> we were annoying the saudis, brennan said. the 9/11 commission has the