that, but you can point to positive examples where infrastructure spending has done good. salt lake city is a good example. and also one of the strongest job rate growths. the transportation has a direct link to that. >> utah is low tax republican state. come on. >> it is. >> new york and san francisco and chicago with the corruption and the public employee unions, forget it. >> dave: how many of these light rail programs to fuel efficiency very few, right? >> i come from southern california and they are never used at all. when we talk about infrastructure, yes, we have an impressive national highway system, but the unseen is how much more cheaply it would be built today if we left this to private profit motivated