not necessarily that of panetta and clinton. we watching the president move to his natural position which is really wrong which the country doesn't understand back to the point that democrats are going to have a problem. he is way left and i think that is why he wants hagel. >> secretary clinton by all accounts was far more aggressive in supporting the libyans, and undertaking the syrian opposition and taking on terror in north africa than the president has been. bottom line, what pat and john spoke to, they are right: there is a huge, huge division in democratic ranks that republicans have not explained. secretary panetta, he spoke directly to these issues in his outgoing interviews and spoke of the need to protect the defense budget. >>gregg: is it your sense that hagel will be a nonfactor?