romney lazy. >> mitt romney surrogate during the campaign. sun unu for a long time. you don't think he is a racist, do you. >> no. i didn't call him a racist. >> you said that wording sends the code. >> it does. >> bill: you just said in his opinion he was lazy on an issue. it wouldn't matter if he was white, purple or green. >> he said he was lazy after the first debate and he said it a couple of times. >> bill: so what? >> let me finish i will tell you so what. it so shocked the person who was interviewing him he said do you really want to use that word snowing. john said other things that were troubling. he said the president wasn't a real american. what does that suppose to mean to somebody. what does it mean he is not a real american? >> bill: it was in the heat of the campaign. i'm not defending is you --