gunshot wouldn't have been. whoever was there was very busy for a significant amount of time, perhapses a minute. >> yes, at least that. and tells you something that this isn't just a casual strange coming in to rob him or whatever. you get this type of overkill when there is a relationship between the two people. they know each other. around one of them s really ticked off at the other. casual stranges being caught in the middle of a robbery or something will just shoot you you or stab you long enough so that you will be dead. they don't keep stabbing you after you are dead as happened here. >> greta: in terms of trying to determine what came first the chicken report the egg, the gunshot or the knife shot, i thought it interesting in the schemeatic of the wounds on the hands there are not a lot of defensive wounds on the hands. i would have expected more defensive wounds than that which means that i think he died rather quickly rather than