so why b-- if people think that why is it so hard to cover. >> i think because people don't have a reck nich -- mechanism. if you asked the studio audience here. maybe this isn't a representative example. if you went to the coffee shop around the corner. >> they are not representative either. >> if you went to a coffee shop in some other place and you said, you are making 5,000 dollars a month but you are spending 10,000 what do you need to do the average person is not going to say i need you to go to the boss and ask for a 5,000 dollar raise. they are not going to say i need to cut out my starbucks i need to fundamentally reassess what i am spending my money on that ne lives but not the political sphere. they don't hold people in the political sphere accountable when they don't act as they would in their own personal lives. that's why i think the pledge is important. >> the poll miss leads because everybody says let's cut spending. when you get to the specifics should it be defense, should it