>> not for me at this stage. >> oh, come on. >> when he spoke about our journey, i think that is inspiring. you look over the years. when he talks about what happened in terms of the woman's movement. seneca falls. when he talks about selma and the civil rights movement. when he talks about stonewall and the gay rights movement. lots of people would say this is the path of american history and he on the right side of history. i think mary katharine needs to wait for the state of the union and we can get back to the name-calling. >> i have waited for four years. >> bill: there was a something said earlier juan, and it -- missed an opportunity to kind of embrace the opposition say, look, come along with me on quote, unquote the journey that juan is so behind up about. go on the journey together. kind of like follow the yellow bring road. all go dancing down together. >> i agree. here is the point i wanted to make earlier in response to mary katharine. from the left, a lot of people think obama is pretty milk toast. he is not a guy that has gone