possession of a gun it's a mandatory 10 years. if you pull out that gun it's mandatory 20 years. if you use that gun you are away for life. even the first time you commit that what's happened is that these criminals that use guns are in jail. they are not out there committing crimes. >> bill: my talking points memo based on your experience is you don't disagree with it. >> that's right. >> bill: we have some common ground here. you and me anyway. and i'm hoping that the folks as well. we want public safety to be paramount. we understand that any gun ban isn't going to work and it's proven all over the place. and we want to respect the constitution. so how can we get president obama on board with this. the only thing that he really did today that i don't think is he going to get through is the assault ban weapon. all right? now, i say leave it to the states. new york ban assault weapons all right yesterday. so you can't have them here. you know, i understand both sides of that story. but am i going to move to florida? because of the assault ban? no, i'm not. i'm going to stay in new york.