cash payments, food stamps, housing subsidies, rent subsidies, heating subsidies, medical payments various kinds, family services, cell phones. all these transfer payments from this group to that group in the form of --. martha: federal subsidies for cell phones is part of that? >> there are 6 million federally subsidized, provided welfare cell phones out there. all included in this $11 trillion cost. that is welfare as defined by the republicans on the senate budget committee using the government's own numbers. >> it is shocking. >> it is astonishing. 11 trillion. martha: here the discussion give the gun debate going on in this country who we are as a nation. what kind of nation are we. who are we as a people. i would submit we might want to consider these numbers as well when we talk about who we are as a nation, who we are as a people. >> martha, this is direct reversal of the welfare reform that was passed by president clinton in the