basically except the wealthy guys who have the connection to go get a hidden carry permit and all of the rest of it. >> that is logical and why bloomberg says we just got to close the loopholes and i say no they he can't. look at the places like norway where they have really tight laws and that guy shot 53 people. people can get guns. england they passed the gun ban and the violent crime rate went up. it just doesn't work. >> geraldo: i heard that the murder rate went down in britain and australia after the gun ban. >> australia for awhile. it has gone back up. my understanding it the violent crime rate tripled in england after the gun ban. >> geraldo: don't you feel that there must be some common ground, some practical -- government doesn't fail at everything, does it? >> just about. your career started with willow brook. a government has to get this there and take care of the mentally ill children that were being abused and not taken care of. eager beavers come and do a