do you think the president wants to go over the fiscal cliff. it is a balanced approach and achieves the tax increases and revenue increases that the president wanted to see and imposes strict devastating cut. 10% across the board at the department of defense which many people have could be used to fund long-term entitlements. >> i don't think the president wants to go over the fiscal cliff but i do think he wants to break house republicans not just on this issue but on several issues down the road and essentially john boehner was right with bran b. we needed to pass that because we need leverage on president obama because president obama is not offering a balanced approach. he is talking about cutting spending but not talking about preserving medicare and social security which is 6 6 to 62 tof the federal budget. they need to use the debt ceiling limit to preserve medicare and social security. i think we will eventually reach an agreement here. >> but doug, i don't believe -- i don't think that is entirely fair. the president put on the table things that many people in his