it's not. we are saying, for those people, you can keep the merry, you can have a party, you don't have to go to a church in which you don't believe or donate money. >> sean: nobody's forcing to you go to church i. i disagree. >> sean: nobody -- if that's -- you are allowing people to force them to go, that's their problem. >> we are telling them not to-- >> don't allow the people to force to you go to church? we know that a large population of christians are atheists -- >> yes! >> sean: they are really atheists and they don't have the courage of their convictions i mean, you are an atheist, you come on the program and say you are an atheist. >> right. there is a lot of familial and social pressure to keep atheists in the closet. we are trying to relieve that pressure. >> sean: you are too full of yourself to believe that people care -- >> no, they care very much. >> sean: i don't care. >> i know you don't care. but a lot of people do care and they care very much because they think they are alone. we are here to tell the atheists