the nation who believes we leverage. >> see, i agree with you, david. i think the republicans have a far better hand and they cannot give away the issue that the president has a blank check. they've got to maintain their constitutional authority. for me, the issue, juan, is baseline budgeting. we in washington, if you reduce the rate of increase from 9% projected growth to 7%, they call it a cut. no american does math this way. this is what i liked about the penny plan by connie mac. you freeze spending at current levels. you cut one penny out of every dollar. do you it across the board. you can balance the budget in six years. and you can still maintain economic growth. but that's not acceptable to washington. republicans or democrats seemingly at this time. >> because it's not real. >> sure, it's real. >> you can't maintain check growth and imagine, where are the cuts coming? >> across the board. >> look, you can't have -- >> one penny out of every dollar. >> what the president is too