this issue in any meaningful way, i just wonder, you know, do they look at it and say, well, now, it won us a presiden presidential election promising we won't touch any entitlements. but where is the for sight, looking down the road? i think people are so distrustful now of congress' ability to get anything done that will change the course of where we are headed in this country long term. >> yeah they should be distrustful. that is part of the problem is that congress refuses to take these issues seriously. it's not just congress. remember, president obama is the president of the united states and he ran the first time saying that he was going to get in front of these issues that he was going -- martha: line-by-line he was going to go through every single program. >> exactly. if you look at the comments he made in the very first month of his presidency back in 2009 he said that the central park to getting in front of the u.s. spending problem is going to be tackling entitlements. and he hasn't done that. the only indications that he's