>> steve: she did. >> brian: she would be able to -- she had health insurance or could afford to buy her own. so there was some aspects to it. i'm not questioning her dedication to it. but i just wonder about the sanity of giving a kid that could not show affection or feel pain the ability to shoot a gun. >> gretchen: i agree with you on. i will say that mental illness in our society is really, really, really difficult to get people into institutions or hospitals or to take medication. the aclu has fought hard about doing just that and that's one of the reasons why we have so many of the homeless people on our streets who are mentally ill. this is a huge national discussion now, even tough for a mom to get their own kid help in many, many, many cases. >> brian: a court can mandate that you take medication, we found out over the weekend, even unadult take medication if