>> here is part of it. who does she think is a good role model in the singing world? madonna. >> bill: madonna. >> who we just talked about a couple weeks ago as not being a role model. >> she stripped down. she is objecting to the clothing, bill. she does it over and over again. >> bill: i haven't been in this feminist thing. weren't feminist at one time angry about women being objectified? >> sexualized. >> bill: now she wants them to be? >> i guess. >> remember when we had discussions about the national organization of america would not let me in because i was a former miss america even though i went to stanford and oxford they probably wouldn't because i was in what they deem a pageant. >> bill: now they want younger women to be more flashy and objectified? i'm not getting any of. this i didn't get it either. i was very confused. >> modest and she doesn't want