unfortunately it's not the right way to go, i don't think anyone wants to bail out detroit for mismanagement. >> brenda: julian, what say you. >> i think we have to define the terms, quid pro quo and bailout are unfortunate terms. i think that jonas made the right point. you have to separate long-term and short-term issues. long-term, the same way that the government reformed entitlement, the state has to reform pension programs. and many states and governments are doing that. in the short-term, however, it's another question when you're in an economically very difficult time, if the states and local governments don't get money it forces to raise taxes or increase unemployment both are which are bad for the economy. conservative president bush had three efforts to provide state aid to state and local governments that were suffering during an economic down tournament. >> brenda: quickly, julian. >> and supported in the past.