the reporting is that the local police officer said, this is campus police, said do you want a 72-hour mental health evaluation, a 72-hour detention, and she was -- dr. lynn fenton was empowered to order such a hold, but they say the cop had no reason to order such a hold herself and were deferring to the doctor's judgment. the doctor said, he's already put in his notice that he's withdrawing from the university, so they said the hold wasn't necessary. i mean, does a campus psychiatrist, mark, have an obligation to the community, not just the campus in. >> to me, the answer is, yes. i just can't get past that the facts are that black and white, they're that perfect. but if those are the -- megyn: i get ya, we don't know until we hear it ourselves in court. >> let me tell you, megyn, if there's ever a time when we're going to truly hear what happened and come back and go, ooh, i shouldn't have thrown that psychiatrist under the bus, this may be the case. but, yes, i'll play along, and if those are the facts, then,