conferences at these really beautiful, exotic places. how many hawaiian conferences, you know? i worked on the hill, i don't remember ever going to conferences. i used to go into the lame cafeteria downstairs. >> we were very poor. we had no money. megyn: i work in the private sector, right? i work for a private employer, and do you know how many conferences i have been to for fox news? zero. >> but you get to places like iowa -- megyn: yeah, really. [laughter] why are these necessary? >> i agree. megyn: why do you have to have these? >> there's actually an urban training center in indiana. i'm from indiana, know all about this. it's a thousand-acre facility, and they didn't use it because, i'm guessing, indiana isn't as fun. so they wanted to go to the paradise cove -- megyn: but is it so bad to try to inspire the folks who are trying to train in counterterrorism to actually show up, first of all, it's better to have it instead of maybe at the ranch at paradise point resort and spa and then offer a little bit of