i would encourage anyone who is having a problem in their community, with nativity scenes, if we are allowed to have a display in front of the united states supreme court and the united states capitol, then any citizen can display the beauty of christmas, the power of christmas, the wonderful message of hope and we're work with pastor dole right now. >> gretchen: so pastor dull, tell me your story. what's going on up in altoona? >> it used to be that cities all across the city and communities would be able to put out the nativity scene without any issue whatsoever. same thing in altoona where we live and of course, somebody comes along and says you can't do it. well, we can do it because this is the united states of america. so we would like to be able to work along with them to get the proper prime ministers to see that the nativity scene is back in front of city hall. once again, to make that statement that we can do it in the united states of america. in my opinion, the nativity scene, particularly the live