come on this program and explain themselves but they said they can't talk about it because they sued abc. it's outrageous. this company secretly peddles this horrible thing called pink slime and won't talk about it now that they were caught by the heroes at abc? except speaking of food bunk, what i just said is utter bink. the pink sleep is safe. to help explain that's, let's talk to dan gainer of media research center. to, explain. >> well, bunk is the polite word. abc went on a crusade. three nights in a row, back in march, they pounded on this, in the first three minutes of their first broadcast. they said the term pink slip -- >> why shouldn't they? >> it's not pink slime. it's ground beef. i've been to the factory. i'm a city boy. i am -- >> some of that in here.