news media organizations become increasingly politicized all journalists risk ending up as collateral casualties because they're working adjacent to outlets viewed of perveyors of propaganda. legitimate fear there? >> no, i don't think it is. i mean, i think these are some pretty-- look, i'm not somebody who i think is considered assume pro israel person, not anti-israel, but not one who will apologize for everything they do and i think this, this crosses the line in terms of accusations. i think it's fine to criticize some for humanitarian problems and so on, but i think this goes far and as judy said, the evidence to back it up, and i wish people can admit when they're wrong. look, he made a mistake, he should just say he's wrong. if he got information from somebody they thought it was reliable, made a mistake, it happens, he should take responsibility. >> the challenge is who a journalist, and all the time,