>> heather: mary? >> here is the thing. we talk about this on friday on radio. i spoke to a union guy. here the deal. if the unions are so fantastic and unions have so much to offer why is it joining a union voluntary. they could come in and you can join but you don't have to. and those that don't join the unions can see the benefits. why are people are forced to join? he couldn't answer the question. this is not about the workers. if walmart wanted to unionize the workers would have voted to unionize and the fact is they voted not to. >> heather: can you answer that question? >> sure. walmart is putting a beat down on the employees that are fighting back. the ones that are protesting. the bottom line is that employees, if they only have the option to join one at a time are going to face retaliation, you