clearly something that he wants now as well. >> he's not going to have that. martha: that would seem a recipe of some kind of getting together on this and trying to be hopeful. >> well i hope so. i'm very, very hopeful about what is going to happen, martha. i think this was the election not to win. we have the 2013 tax mageddon that will lead to a very sharp drop in economic activity. looking at 2014 i'm very excited about how the elections will turn out there, and 2016 will be the equivalent of 1980 and we'll have enormous prosperity in america. i continue be more happy and more optimistic than i am. this is obama's day, he won and the democrats did pretty well, and, frankly it's their game, and it's the only game in town. but i hope they go with the simpson-bowles flat tax and spending restraint and sound money free trade. martha: do you think obama will go for real tax reform. >> no, i don't. martha: a flat tax provision. >> no. martha: or he will allow