five points. >> steve: governor romney won north carolina which obama won last time around. that was only one of the battle ground states that mitt romney was able to steal. and even -- won. and even though more than half of the wisconsin voters have a favorable opinion of paul ryan, it wasn't enough to give republicans a win in wisconsin. president obama took wisconsin, as you can see there, 53-46%. many of those voters saying they favored the auto bailout, which was a gigantic issue out there. >> brian: there is so much to analyze. we're just giving you the quick short course. despite the romney campaign's last minute push in pen opinion and bill clinton's counter push, voters there gave the electoral vote to president obama. we were all duped on that, duped on iowa and duped on new hampshire. all the polling showed that tightening up. >> steve: maybe not so reliable. >> gretchen: actually undersold the reality because they had it