vote counts as much as highly engaged vote. that's the problem. i pointed out kirsten power goes up to wisconsin today and that snapped my head back a little bit. northbound were internal polling up there says there might be a problem in wisconsin. >> well, or it suggests that it's worth the time to make sure that this upper midwest blocking operation that they have got going where they have got this group of states they think they can a combination of which will block romney needs to be absolutely nailed down and why not go? >> bill: because he has got ohio and he has got florida. states like that, virginia particularly. that he could -- >> -- look the point that's been made. wisconsin has been a good state for the republicans over the past couple of years. >> bill: yeah. but that shows me that something happened there. >> well, we always think that these people are look at interrible polls that are very different from what we know and they know -- they don't. >> bill: do they have frequent