>> do they have a key and come through the window? how do they do it? >> i used to live in a gated community they would call me at 6:00 in the morning and say john is here. >> bill: really? >> you have to let them in. >> bill: how does a guy, aaron, like armstrong beat that how does he beat that or does the tour de france not care? >> well, it's interesting. because for years i thought that it had to be very sophisticated way to beat the test. and after reading some of the articles that have come out in the last couple of weeks. some of it was actually quite simple as just not answering the door andretending they weren't home when the testers came. but they also had much more sophisticated ways if they did have to give a sample. oftentimes they had a lot of heads up. >> bill: they could substitute samples and things like that. now, did you get tested erin? did they test you? >> i was tested quite often. i was in tested in competition but also out of competition testing that dara had