3,500. 4,000. >> greg: you're right. >> bob: it's not hoard get 10,000 people. >> eric: i'll go. >> bob: you are up. >> eric: so in a rare occasion, happened twice, 1800 and 1824, the electoral college could actually be a tie. romney and obama could each get 269. and so what happens in an actual electoral college tie? the house of representatives picks the president. now there is enough republicans in the house, state-by-state, that they would probably pick romney. so you would have president romney. the quirky part, the senate picks vice president and they would likely pick joe biden, v.p. that would put a romney-biden. >> kimberly: biden is indestructible. >> bob: the idea that the democrats would turn down ryan as the vice president would be a shock to me.