is on record saying $500 billion would be catastrophic for our defense. >> and he loses his leverage as had discussion goes forward after the election because the equester hits january 1st and now he's come out and admitted it's not going to happen, so it's probably not going to happen. all right. we have a couple minutes to discuss, how did you think bob scheifer did from cbs news as the moderator. other than giving president obama the least amount of time advantage in all the debates. president obama had just under a minute more than mitt romney. >> 41 seconds. >> almost even. and if you look at the interruptedness chart you will see romney was interrupted 8 times and president obama six. so far different from the other debates when, for example, paul ryan was interrupted way more times than joe biden, by joe biden himself and also the moderator. >> martha raditz. let's listen.