these initial reactions can change and change quickly. campaign carl cammeron live in lancaster ohio where they just wrapped up a rally i'm told. what's the opinion whether she's snap poll does anything for the race, carl? >> one thing you have to remember is republicans could argue that bide deny well but it's not going to change their vote. democrats can say ryan did well but it isn't going to change their vote. sometimes how you can be with the yankees or red sox. can you acknowledge that somebody played a good game but not change your allegiances. doesn't have a long shelf life. memory is whether they won on substance or style. manner recidivisms played a big deal for joe biden last night. short time ago in lancaster, ohio, mitt romney took the stage with paul ryan of course the republic star on the debate stage last night. he was indirectly ridiculing biden for man otherwise mannerisms. >> there was one person on the stage with thoughtfulness, who