that now they're talking about cutting back on hours because of the unknown cost of obamacare. how they've been able to get along so far? as it turns out, this particular company got a waiver for the affordable care act in 2010 and that's how they were able to do it. now going forward, they don't know exactly how much there is going to be involved because it's so uncertain. uncertainty really is what is behind this next story as well. there's a guy who is a real estate mogul by the name of david siegle. he runs westgate. and look at this. he has sent a letter out to his employees that said, you know, if president obama is reelected, you might lose your job. >> gretchen: i think a lot of small businesses are facing a lot of these questions right now as they're looking at their expenditures and trying to figure out exactly how to make ends meet. one of the arguments that some of the business people has made is that's why hiring has not