you i have also spoken with some the president's advisors who admit privately they have some apprehension about the fact that this is the first time they have been on the same stage. they have looked at the tapes from the last 20 or 30 years. if you look at it almost every time in the first debate the challenger wins because they have got the incumbent's record to pick apart. they are apprehensive about that because they know there is a lot that mitt romney can can pick on, bill. >> bill: as far as the governor is concerned, cammeron have you spent a lot of time with him any inside baseball tonight? i have super inside. talking about the stack so shaky on top of a jack hammer that being joe biden. mitt romney and his sons were back stage playing jinga in the run up to the start of the debate. mr. romney took it very easy. he did meet with senior staffers very easy. calming distractions and trying to relax what is going