we're being told by the establishment media we should believe that. well, i don't. >> bill: to give you my take on it, reading all the polls, i would say probably romney is down by 1, 1 1/2 at this point. >> agreed. >> bill: but i would say the debates are crucial. and i would say that the polls are based on a model that will not exist this year. especially after what we saw in 2010. you'd think they would have adjusted. >> turnout is everything. turnout in key states is critically important. in ohio, the obama ground game will be very good. they'll have a ton of union support. >> bill: what about the romney ground game? >> i checked on it today. by their account, they feel very strong going into it. they realize -- i mean, the romney people aren't saying, we're up by 4 or 5 points in these polls, but they're saying when the media writes every day that governor romney has lost the race because the polls say so, might as well not have an election, that they're wrong. >> don't take your election coverage from the establishment