that he ev their boss is a politician when the bill for retirees medical bill comes soon. they make so many promises to government workers as a result cities and some states are trillions of dollars in the red. where will tomorrow's politicians get the money to pay them or pay what they promise they will raise your taxes and they will probably skip workers. sorry no more money to pay for yours. you have to pay your own retirement or healthcare. steve the manhattan institute points out two have made smart changes to prevent the pension bomb from going off. one is gary herbert. what did you do in utah? >> we tried to think long-term in utah. it's not just short term. it is long-term for a lot of