happen. but it is not there yet. >> steve, larry mentioned this hiewmg gap in women voters -- why? what do you make of that? >> there is always a gender gap. the question is, and i think that dr. sabbato make this is point well, why this year isn't obama campaign has from the gpg, wherever you start that -- i would place it in april when mitt romney basically wrapped up the republican nomination, the obama campaign has made a concerted effort to speak to the women voters and the issues that they believe will sway the women, particularly moderate or independent women to the obama campaign. i think they have done that. they have focused on it and we have seen in the polling that they have had suggest with it. success with it. >> they use sandra fluke, the georgetown university law graduate. i read that georgetown university law graduates, their starting salaries are $160,000 a