says i don't even know what the number is. nobody gives him his turn in the barrel. bill: you and him and other deactors would say it has gone up $6 trillion under your watch. >> 5 trillion to be fair. bill: $16 now and -- >> 10.8. i want to be fair to him. bill: here we have the polling numbers seem to suggest that the president's gaining sfwround on mitt romney. you're reaching back into 1980 to tell us things were much different even late in october. back that up. >> mid-september of 1980 jimmy carter was ahead of ronald reagan 44-40. i was a young director of the texas campaign, historically democrat state. i was the executive director of texans for reagan-bush. when poll came out, double-digit inflation, double-digit unemployment. interest rates at 20%. how could we be losing to this guy. in october, third week of october and polls came out reagan dropped to 39 and