matter, that our national debt has hit $16 trillion on a very first day that the democratic convention met in charlotte. then the american people understand because we are seeing the economy go south and people do not have the consumer power with or purchasing power to buy a what they need. i think the american people will have a real choice this november. they understand and even though tax reform is difficult, there is overwhelming recognition there has to be tax reform on to reduce taxes. >> gregg: the words trust in politician in my experience are mute liquor exclusive terms. there is a lot of faith going on. >> lower taxes are good for job creation. lower taxes are good for tax creation. >> gregg: elaine chao, thanks for being with us. >> heather: controversy over a new book, accusing the president