against the medicare, you kno know, mediscare demagoguery of the democrats. >> bret: the romney campaign would take -- >> what i'm going to say is this. that is one hole the democrats will keep up the fight. you might be right if they fight to a draw they win. this is not over yet. there are other polls that show what people perceive as the ryan medicare plan is enormously unpopular. so this is one poll, one sample. it doesn't mean they won the debate on medicare. we're not at the first of november or october 20 yet. that is a battle that is still going to continue to wage. >> bret: that is fair. steve, asking the question about ron paul. you heard the answer there. the outreach. this rnc tried to reach out with -- with planks in the platform. >> even before we got to the convention we had the courtship of ron paul going to the primaries. they have had a personal