are they? >> i mean, i'm not sure why they welcome it, because, when you look at the demographics they need to win, particularly doing better with seniors, bringing over independents, i'm not sure the medicare debate helps at all. here's a fundamental problem with the romney-ryan plan. it is basically completely disingenuous and the notion of a $716 billion cut they supposedly attack president obama on is false. it's not a cut. it is cost savings and ryan actually includes that in his own budget. the other part here is, when you talk about this ryan plan, cbo did an analysis in 2011, and, the ryan plan on medicare actually increases cost and increases cost, administrative costs go up but privatize the program -- >> the problem -- >> the problem is they'll have a really tough time trying to communicate something the voters, especially senior voters, or soon to be senior voters are not going to buy. >> jon: angela, address the $716