of innocence? >> i don't buy it at all. i think it is basically a bunch of b.s. they talk about this country was founded by white people for white people. there were people already here when white europeans came here. i guess if we are all supposed to come back to our own countries go back to ireland and france and england and germany and leave it back to the native americans. what it is about for them is the superiority of the white race and if whites conquered the country and killed hundreds of thousands of native americans that is fine because everything whites do is perfect and everything everyone else does is a negative. >> what about the music and page and the a i filliation with the white supremacist music. tell me about hammer fest. >> it brings people from all over the country. and it as way of it is like a rallying cry and gets people pumped up and they listen to