the reason things -- and a lot of it is luck. people get successful. >> well. megyn: okay. [talking over each other] >> keep making that argument. okay? keep peddling that stuff. the secret service detail with vice president biden, went in to see chris the baker after he rejected the photo op joe biden and they got as much as they could. that tells you something about the relationship. >> you were playing a game. [talking over each other] megyn: okay, okay. guys -- see you soon. coming up after this break, controversy over a symbol of inspiration. found in the rubble of the twin towers. an atheist group tries to have the 9/11 cross moved from the 9/11 museum.